Hero Worship?
I have been thinking about what drives us to go to events (no not my mini-van). In a poll, theooze.com is holding regarding the reasons behind people attending Christian Events (the poll is non-scientific) most of the people suggested that they go because of the talent that will be playing. Price and location were pretty far down on the list of what causes people to go to events.
It is interesting to me how people will scrimp and save to go to the best concert of the summer. I am captivated by how people will literally get in line at 2 in the morning to see James Blunt at a free concert on the Today show, when you have a better view on TV. I am just as stunned to see Christians pay high prices to go to conferences see Bishop Jakes or Joel Osteen or for single concerts to see Third Day or others. This is not a new thing. I remember seeing pictures of the Beatles arrival in NYC. Girls were actually fainting when they got a look at the Lads from Liverpool. I have paid high ticket prices myself to see playoff games, concerts, broadway shows and the like.
I was at an event recently, where a video was shown and even though the message was serious, the video seemed to be trivialized by the raucous cheering that came while some of the people participating in the video were on screen for just a few seconds. Even in the Salvation Army we have this sort of groupie following for some of our officers and talented musicians. I know most of them would not want to have the attention on them, but on God.
Especially, with Army and Christian events I have seen planning done and guests invited not on the basis of who would be the best person to fit our needs or best worship leader, but who would be the best "draw." It almost seems to downplay the importance of the message for the glamor of the messenger.
I understand wanting events to be of high quality. I understand (sort of) the draw to have large crowds. Although, I do find it funny the need to mandate people to come with quotas to fill to congresses, retirments etc. in our organization. I mean no disrespect, but if the people thought the event worthy enough, don't you think they would come? Maybe I am a bit jaded in my thoughts on this. But, I digress.
I worry about this phenomenom of what I see as hero worship. Not taking anything away from the giftedness of people, or their sincerity in sharing the message of the Gospel, but I am beginning to see an alarming trend. I wonder if we are setting up Christian heroes? You know, are we going to events and worship because of the speakers and musicians or because we want God to speak to us? Why is that there is not that kind of excitement generated in our local contexts, when are CO's or pastors or worship bands get up to lead us to the Father?
I have been to two events recently that were pretty much devoid of heroes (at least the kind you put up on a pedastool and say, "Wow, they're just terrific."). Last week, I was at the Northern New England Youth Councils and yesterday I spent time in worship at the Beacon, NY Corps. Honestly, there were not many bells and whistles. Although our worship leader was very good last week and the speakers were well-prepared and Spirit-led, there was not that "star" attraction. Yesterday, the music was a bit, tough. The message was meaningful, but not delivered with the oratorical charisma of a Bishop Jakes.
Something happened in both places though. God showed up! There was not a great deal of hero worship. There was a lot of God-focus.
I am wondering if I am being a bit too critical. I wonder is all the entertainment necessary? Maybe it is time for us to strip away all the bells and whistles and really concentrate on the important. Maybe, just maybe, we need to get away from the stars, the production, the plethora oF big events which are just too many to count and get back to basics, worship and the word.
Understand I see the necessity for a big event every once in a while. It helps us all see the bigger picture and realize we are not alone in this walk we call being a Christian.
Maybe we need to think about who the real heroes are in the faith. I think if we really took a long time to think about it, it would not be the talented speakers, musicians, writers or scholars, it might just be the local Sunday School teacher or kids' club helper, who just quietly does what the Spirit tells them to.
I am struggling with the idea of this whole hero culture. I think we could use a few more local heroes, ones that are not woshipped, but respected.
What do you think?
It is interesting to me how people will scrimp and save to go to the best concert of the summer. I am captivated by how people will literally get in line at 2 in the morning to see James Blunt at a free concert on the Today show, when you have a better view on TV. I am just as stunned to see Christians pay high prices to go to conferences see Bishop Jakes or Joel Osteen or for single concerts to see Third Day or others. This is not a new thing. I remember seeing pictures of the Beatles arrival in NYC. Girls were actually fainting when they got a look at the Lads from Liverpool. I have paid high ticket prices myself to see playoff games, concerts, broadway shows and the like.
I was at an event recently, where a video was shown and even though the message was serious, the video seemed to be trivialized by the raucous cheering that came while some of the people participating in the video were on screen for just a few seconds. Even in the Salvation Army we have this sort of groupie following for some of our officers and talented musicians. I know most of them would not want to have the attention on them, but on God.
Especially, with Army and Christian events I have seen planning done and guests invited not on the basis of who would be the best person to fit our needs or best worship leader, but who would be the best "draw." It almost seems to downplay the importance of the message for the glamor of the messenger.
I understand wanting events to be of high quality. I understand (sort of) the draw to have large crowds. Although, I do find it funny the need to mandate people to come with quotas to fill to congresses, retirments etc. in our organization. I mean no disrespect, but if the people thought the event worthy enough, don't you think they would come? Maybe I am a bit jaded in my thoughts on this. But, I digress.
I worry about this phenomenom of what I see as hero worship. Not taking anything away from the giftedness of people, or their sincerity in sharing the message of the Gospel, but I am beginning to see an alarming trend. I wonder if we are setting up Christian heroes? You know, are we going to events and worship because of the speakers and musicians or because we want God to speak to us? Why is that there is not that kind of excitement generated in our local contexts, when are CO's or pastors or worship bands get up to lead us to the Father?
I have been to two events recently that were pretty much devoid of heroes (at least the kind you put up on a pedastool and say, "Wow, they're just terrific."). Last week, I was at the Northern New England Youth Councils and yesterday I spent time in worship at the Beacon, NY Corps. Honestly, there were not many bells and whistles. Although our worship leader was very good last week and the speakers were well-prepared and Spirit-led, there was not that "star" attraction. Yesterday, the music was a bit, tough. The message was meaningful, but not delivered with the oratorical charisma of a Bishop Jakes.
Something happened in both places though. God showed up! There was not a great deal of hero worship. There was a lot of God-focus.
I am wondering if I am being a bit too critical. I wonder is all the entertainment necessary? Maybe it is time for us to strip away all the bells and whistles and really concentrate on the important. Maybe, just maybe, we need to get away from the stars, the production, the plethora oF big events which are just too many to count and get back to basics, worship and the word.
Understand I see the necessity for a big event every once in a while. It helps us all see the bigger picture and realize we are not alone in this walk we call being a Christian.
Maybe we need to think about who the real heroes are in the faith. I think if we really took a long time to think about it, it would not be the talented speakers, musicians, writers or scholars, it might just be the local Sunday School teacher or kids' club helper, who just quietly does what the Spirit tells them to.
I am struggling with the idea of this whole hero culture. I think we could use a few more local heroes, ones that are not woshipped, but respected.
What do you think?
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What I think is that there isn’t an easy answer for this one.
On one hand, you’re right. Starting back when the Jews wanted a King, God has been saying “I am all you need”. But God doesn’t just force himself on us, we have to let him in. Honestly, if people would just prepare their hearts for worship, a lot of worship gatherings would be entirely different experiences.
On the other hand, most people don’t prepare their hearts for worship. And God seems to be gracious when it comes to our need to be motivated by someone we can see. We are spiritual beings who mostly see through physical eyes. And so God raises up people like Moses and Joshua, and Chick Yuill and Phil Wall. I do believe that it’s his desire that we hear him personally, but he seems gracious in speaking through others. And lets face it, He wouldn’t have given them those powerful gifts if he hadn’t intended to use them in powerful ways. Even the New Testament church, led though they were by local leaders, waited anxiously to hear from the Apostles.
But I say again that our hearts are the biggest thing in the way of experiencing God powerfully on a weekly basis. When I used to lead worship down at Allegheny, local leaders would always come up to me and say, “man, I wish I could get our people back home to worship like this”. But the fact is, those college students (disguised as camp counsellors) came ready to worship. Between me being prepared to worship, and them being prepared to worship, it was pretty much a no-brainer that worship was going to happen.
Yet, even as I type this, I know that my heart is rarely prepared to worship on a Sunday morning. Hhhmmm. Maybe I should do something about that.
Tim,
I guess my issue is not with those who are the gifted ones, whose singing, preaching and teaching brings us to God. My issue is the way we beome their groupies without their encouragement or intention for them by God to be our heroes.
I love what Catherine Booth did. Some London business folk wanted to build her a mega-church that was larger than Charles Spurgeon's - she accepted the money, but refused the project. Rather, she chose to build barracks where "unknown soldiers" would take to the pulpit, the circus ring, the bar table etc. and preach the gospel "in the language of fishermen."
THAT - to me - is heroic... and an alternative to the temptations of egomania in today's bandwagon culture.
To be honest, it really doesn't matter WHO's leading worship or preaching... it has a lot more to do with our (my) receptivity to the Holy Spirit.
Jeremiah calls this "digging deep wells" ...maybe it's time to get our shovels out and put our cameras down?
Steve
So, I get this. I get that we are tired with the ignorance of those who will pay big bucks for big time speakers... sometimes I think it's like they are paying for a fix of God - they are guaranteed to have a good "show" of God at these big events; whether they are real or staged, people feel like they are experiencing God. Is that wrong? Is it wrong that people want a bit of God? Nope. Some people don't know how to lead themselves in own personal and private worship times. I could get on the wagon of, "Why don't we teach it?" but I'll behave.(Another thing that annoys me in this same vein is the way the Christian Publishers are in on the game; if they stick Jesus on it, they'll get someone to buy it!)
However, I think we need to be careful that we are not demonizing the "big show" at the expense of those whose only chance to have a real experience are at these big events to promote the basic "Unplugged" type events. It becomes trendy, and then people get hung up on the different styles instead of the fact that we are there to worship.
I'm with Tim, there is no easy, quick wave your pixie wand, here's you answer fix to this question. I like that we have heroes of the faith, I like that it gives us someone to admire, someone to look up to, I don't think it's wrong; if it takes your eyes off the cross, heck yeah! For the most part, I need a role model - yes Larry, Jesus is my role model, but He's always got the truly and properly God thing on His side. The likes of Janet and Carole Jeanne are needed - those no messing, women of God who will not compromise.
I am really experiencing just now that we can lead the horse to water. Those that we invest ourselves in will not listen to us unless they want to, unless they have decided that it is what they want. We can set those big events up, but no one will have a real experience of God if they do not want to - the same goes for small gatherings. If the heart is right... something only the individual can take care of.
Mhairi,
There is a huge difference between having a role model and being in the fan club of the latest big name. That is my issue. Is it really a God fix that will do people good. No!
Unfortunately, we live in a world where we are happy to let that happen. Really, should we be? I have no issue with the Phil Walls or Chick Yuills or the (pick a name and put it here____) I think our often misplaced passion that gets us running to them because they are a great speaker or whatever is not really Godly at all. Are we really teaching worship of God in these settings? I often wonder. I think we are often enlisting people in a fan club.
I agree with Tim and Mhairi, no quick fix but an issue with which we need to grapple. I even think fan clubs can happen locally...if someone from divisional headquarters is there how many uniformed soldiers miraculously appear (and how many officers put on their disguises as well) to impress the special guests.
I think of specific gatherings where the rent-a-crowd was driven 1-2 hours to sit in a 5 hour meeting that they had no interest in at all. Numbers....like you ask, is that what it's all about? I understand that if no one is there to hear the Word, how will they know...but when they come down from the (I like how you worded it Mhairi) God fix, what next? Are we putting ourselves up for failure when we can't meet the bigger is better worship mentality? Is this why a "simple" service tends to be boring in many people's minds? No lights, no videos, no pictures...just you and God.
Again, no easy answer...we are bombarded with images, sounds, and instantaneous visual stimulation every second of our day...why not expect it to facilitate worship as well?
Also, I think we allow ourselves as Christians to think, "at least I'm a fan of Christian musicians and not the secular crowd". Idolatry is idolatry whether the idol is wearing only underwear on stage or a christian t-shirt!
Maybe we are enlisting people into a fan club; so what can we do about it? I'm not sure that that is something we can fix... that's more of a personal issue.
Should we encourage it? Nope, but I'm not sure I've seen this happen; I think I've seen the congregation misplace the power into the the speaker/worship leader instead of God.
I think God wanted this spoke about this week. I preached on Hebrews 11.
I felt led to this portion partly for the reasons you discussed. The Youth Councils worship was still on my mind. God didn't need a large praise band or a preacher for that matter(no offense, although it "was the best sermon you never preached"). God was the Hero in charge and the Holy Spirit was working.
Thanks to you, Janet and the 117 team members that facilitated the Spirit's moving in our teens.
In His Grip,
Dave
Is it any surprise that hero worship is something to be talked about in a movement that loves to place early leaders on pedestals?
There's this scene in The Commitments in which they show the dining room wall of this traditional Irish family's house. I believe there's a picture of the Pope, then above that, a picture of Jesus and above that, a picture of Elvis.
Sometimes, I think we're guilty of that in the Army. We place William or Catherine or both of them slightly above Jesus in importance. Samuel Logan Brengle and George Scott Railton form the next tier with Evangeline Booth, probably equal with Jesus and then it goes down from there.
At some Army events, we worship the Founder more than we worship the Maker. Yeah, I think we need to take a careful look at this.
So I decided to read your post again and I'm going to attempt to make a decent comment..
If we go to an event wanting to hear a certain praise and worship group because they are talented and help bring us closer to God is that wrong? Like at youth councils, the Saturday night meeting was just praise and worhsip! I was soooo excited to go because I knew that going there and hearing them would bring me closer to God, that's not wrong is it? I wouldn't call myself a groupie but I enjoy their music. I don't know maybe I'm not making sense....
Is all the entertainment necessary? No, but it does help people in their worship and learning. Like the powerpoint etc...I'm sure you have heard this before but I'm playing a solo in star search called The Heart Of Worship, it's written by Matt Redman..In his church they decided that they were going to completely stop ALL music and just focus on God. After expiriencing that he wrote the song Heart Of Worship..Whenever I play it I always think of the words..
When the music fades
All is stripped away
And I simply come
Longing just to bring
Something that's of worth
That will bless Your heart
I'll bring You more than a song
For a song in itself
Is not what You have required
You search much deeper within
Through the way things appear
You're looking into my heart
I'm coming back to the heart of worship
And it's all about You,
It's all about You, Jesus
I'm sorry, Lord, for the thing I've made it
When it's all about You,
It's all about You, Jesus
King of endless worth
No one could express
How much You deserve
Though I'm weak and poor
All I have is Yours
Every single breath
I'll bring You more than a song
For a song in itself
Is not what You have required
You search much deeper within
Through the way things appear
You're looking into my heart
I'm coming back to the heart of worship
And it's all about You,
It's all about You, Jesus
I'm sorry, Lord, for the thing I've made it
And it's all about You,
It's all about You, Jesus
Maybe we need to expirience something like that?
Anyway, I hope this made some sense!
P.S. Sorry for all the spelling mistakes :)
Greetings in Jesus' name. Thanks for the discussion. I agree with many of the comments.
(Disclaimer: I admit to being a fan of Chick Yuill and Phil Wall (and others). AND, I think William Booth was under-rated. But that's not my point)
It is also true, though, that our culture is so cynical that we like to rip down heroes, or almost anyone on a pedestal. American politics (which I like to follow- at least at a national level) is a classic example.
But it is characteristic in the western SA as well. My wife is reading the current OFFICER mag as I write and she commented on the slew of books that have recently come out slamming William Booth. It mentions Roger Green's latest, playing up weaknesses which portray him, from the perspective of those close to him as an, "egotistical autocrat who had lost perspective of the ministry of servanthood to which he genuinely believed God had called him."
May I suggest that the Christian way might be that of honour (or, for the Americans, honor!)? I want to honour those followers of Jesus whose lives I want to emulate, whose commitment I profoundly respect, and whose fruitful faith I applaud.
Much grace to each of you,
Stephen Court
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Larry,
I read your posts regularly. I don't usually have the time or the guts to put my replies down in writing. Let me tell you though, I am going to have a lot of fun once you hit Ohio and I can discuss some of this stuff with you. I have some comments about the lost boy post but I'm too busy packing to put it down in an intelligent way. We'll have to do dinner with you and Janet! See you soon.
Becki,
Thanks for your comments. We are glad we will be able to get to see you, Eric and the family a bit more. I think you have a great thought about God and people. Maybe you have some ideas we can share about the whole issue of hero worship.
Allison, you are my fav! The heart of worship is truly about Jesus. Glad you are thinking about that.
Drew, cogent as always. I have thought that we worship the forefathers more than the FAther. WE adore doctrine often more than the Word. I am not sure I would be as strong as Nicole and call it idolatry. It certainly is misplaced priority.
Stephen, no one is slamming Booth or Phil or Chick. In fact, I think we should honour (spelling just for you) those gifted people. My intent in the post was never to rip someone down, but rather to express a concern that we often raise people almost to the level of God. I was at an Army event recently where the preacher quoted an Army personality more than scripture. To me that is more than honoring the person, it borders on worship of the person.
Sue, Can't wait for dinner. You won't believe how much you will enjoy getting your summers back. You will go through camp detox, but then you will have some great times. Janet and I will take you up on the dinner offer. We love free meals and good conversation.
"idolatry"-- image-worship or divine honour paid to any created object. Paul describes the
origin of idolatry in Rom. 1:21-25: men forsook God, and sank into ignorance
and moral corruption (1:28). The forms of idolatry are, (1.) Fetishism, or the
worship of trees, rivers, hills, stones, etc. (2.) Nature worship, the worship of the sun, moon, and stars, as the supposed powers of nature. (3.) Hero
worship, the worship of deceased ancestors, or of heroes. In Scripture,idolatry is regarded as of heathen origin, and as being imported among the Hebrews through contact with heathen nations." (Easton Bible Dictionary)
So, putting our heroes above God...like what has been suggested would be idolatry. Quoting heroes more than Scripture? Maybe not intentional, but still on the edge of idolatry. So, when I used the word I wasn't saying we had a shrine to the Co-founders in our corps building, but a temple or altar of worship isn't just physical...it's also seen through our theology (Does it make something right because Booth or any other thinker said it, or because it's backed by the Word?).
heather,
i think hero worship produces jealousy. i know it does in my life. i am constantly having to battle my ego. i think my issue with it is when people are worship and i think, "what am i, chopped liver?" that is ungodly thinking and really plays with my emotions.
RE: "I worry about this phenomenom of what I see as hero worship."
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